No Simon, I just spotted it last night. I love the commentary for the 4-up allard/v8 special going over the step on nailsworth 'ride 'em cowboy' with a 1940s RP accent... More seriously might this help prove historic use of RoW used in the Cotswold Clouds....
Well it does, absolutely, but I guess we would need Andrew Brown's input on whether this is needed for the sections shown. Where did all the trees go on "Axe" ? Great to see "Juniper" in live and moving use too. Agreed re the commentry, my first thought was "Pathe News" at the cinema in the old days, (my mum told me, you understand, because I am of course far too young to remember that far back !! ) SimonR
You might spot also, the "extraordinary car" climbing Ham Mill, and later the 2nd Allard on Nailsworth is the Geof Imhof car, KLD 5, now owned by Roger Ugalde. You can see from this car why the 1/3rd overhang rule was introduced. Roger U assures me that you can still see the weld marks on the chassis where this extension was added. The car leaving the start just after the starter has been introduced is the Onslow-Bartlett mercury Spl. The second car attempting Juniper is Ron Lowe in his pre-Dellow special. And to fill in the Dellow link, The Frazer-Nash BMW EMO174 on Hodgecombe is Ken Dellingpole
First to say thanks to Ian for finding this wonderful film. To add my bit the "Onslow-Bartlett mercury Spl" Simon mentions is I believe still owned by Mike Furse. He has had it for many years but only trialled it once, at a Herts Constabulary Tring Park Trial in 1976. Also competing was Michael Leete, T-P father and son, Simon Groves Dad, Simon Woodall and many more ............ Michael ALLCOMERS PCT 4th April 1976 No. Driver Club Car cc CLASS ONE 1 John Cheshire SODC Mini 1198 2 Mick Wrench SODC Mini 1098 3 Charles Dudley SODC Mini Countryman 848 4 Richard Gaiger SODC Mini 1098 5 Roger Dudley SODC Mini Countryman 848 David Wrench SODC Mini 1000 Alan Strutt SODC Mini 1098 Steve Strutt SODC Mini 1098 9 Richard Oakman CHESS VALL. Mini 850 10 Michael Leete FALCON Mini 998 11 Leonard Holder SODC Saab 96 V4 1498 12 Colin Stevens SODC Mini 1100 13 Jon Poynter SODC Mini GT 1275 Trevor Roff SODC Mini 1100 Richard Warner SODC Mini Cooper 998 16 Tom Goggin SODC Mini 1100 17 Robert Oake SODC Mini 1100 CLASS TWO 21 Adrian Tucker-Peake FALCON Ford Pop 1598 22 John Tucker- Peake FALCON Ford Pop 1598 23 Colin Veneear COMCC Ford Escort 1300 24 Colin Knight SODC Ford Escort Van 1300 25 Lawrie Knight SODC Ford Escort 1600 26 John Groves CAMBRIDGE Ford Pop 1172 27 Sue Halkyard SODC Austin Chummy 747 28 Alan Robertson CHESS VALL. Viva Van 1100 CLASS THREE 33 Ian Blackburn COMCC Singer Le Mans 972 34 Elaine Seymour CHESS VALL. MG Midget 1275 35 Geoff Margetts COMCC Morgan 4/4 1599 CLASS FOUR 40 Reg Taylor CAMBRIDGE Imp 875 41 Ronald LeCount COMCC VW Beetle 1285 42 Murray MacDonald FALCON VW Beetle 1192 44 Dennis Greenslade COMCC Cartune VW Beetle 1776 45 Chris Waldron HERTS CONST. VW Beetle 1390 46 Roger Wornham HERTS CONST. VW Beetle 1390 47 Josh Sadler SODC Porsche 911T 2341 48 Keith Turner COMCC VW Beetle 1584 CLASS FIVE 52 Stan Hibberd SODC Buckler Mk 5 1172 53 Mike Hibberd SODC Buckler Mk 5 1172 54 Mike Furse SODC Mercury V8 Special 3622 55 Geoff Jackson CAMBRIDGE Dellow 1500
PARK WOODS PCT April 3rd 1977 No. Driver Club Car cc CLASS ONE 1 Steve Strutt SODC Mini 1098 2 John Gray SODC Mini 1100 3 Alan Strutt SODC Mini 1098 4 Robert Oake SODC Mini 1100 5 Tom Goggin SODC Mini 1100 6 Charles Dudley SODC Mini 1098 7 Roger Dudley SODC Mini 1098 8 Paul Holman SODC Mini 1275 9 Don Dracup SODC Mini 1275 10 Brian Squire FALCON Mini 998 11 Michael Leete FALCON Mini 998 12 John Cheshire SODC Mini 1198 14 Trevor Roff SODC Mini 1100 15 Colin Stevens SODC Mini 1100 16 Lawrence Hawkins` HERTS CONST. Mini 850 17 Richard Oakman CHESS VALL. Mini 850 18 Jon Poynter SODC Mini GT 1275 20 Diane Stuart CHESS VALL. Mini 850 CLASS TWO 23 Vic Woods HERTS CONST. Ford Capri 3000 24 Lawrie Knight SODC Ford Escort 1600 25 Sue Halkyard SODC Austin Chummy 747 26 Bob Andrews HERTS CONST. Peugeot 404 1618 CLASS THREE 33 Ian Blackburn COMCC Singer Le Mans 972 34 Tim Frazer CHESS VALL. MG Midget 1275 35 Elaine Seymour CHESS VALL. MG Midget 1275 CLASS FOUR 40 Phillip Cushway VWOC VW Beetle 1300 41 Colin Perrot VWOC VW Beetle 1300 42 Clive Booth CAMBRIDGE Imp 875 43 Ken Springle VWOC VW Beetle 1600 44 Chris Waldron HERTS CO
Now this is exactly what the sport needs for promotion! Surely someone out there can persuade a TV company to take an interest (Top Gear/ 5th Gear?). It'll make a change from all this boring boy-racer circuit-testing and playing. It would be good to get back to the real world of Club sport and normal(?) people. What a find!
The Lands End was on Top Gear a few years ago - before it changed to its current format - but even then their pitch was very much about "wacky racers". Not very good publicity at all. All it atracted was interest from the banger racing crowd.
Skud marks - I am putting some thought into how we can use this for promotional purposes and whether I can obtain a copy. Have to second what Simon says about the current tv progs on terrestial though. The sport could be killed off if people like clarkson get involved - driving a 4x4 up a scottish mountain over SSIs was just one of his many stupid stunts - right at the time we were up against all the Row issues...he would wreck out reputation of caring for the communities and landowners whose support we depend on in 2 minutes flat, think nothing off it and move on to the next subject as long as he thought it made good tv...sorry, end of sermon but we do need to protect our reputation very carefully...
Oh yes, I wholeheartedly agree there.....far better we actually keep a low profile. After all, our sport contains all that remains of the TRUE motorsporting enthusiast, in my view. Plus, it's full of people who can actually see the POTENTIAL in EVERY vehicle they come across....... Imagine the field day Clarkson would have , had he come across Old Spot Piglet?
I have this Gloucester Trial clip on reasonable quality VHS although the very beginning with the Pathe intro is missing. Can anyone confirm the year? - I think 1948 for some reason which now escapes me. I also have a rather fine silent film of the 1934 Colmore, mainly shot on Station Lane, Chalford; and another of the 1936 Fedden (thanks to Pete Hart) featuring hills now used for the Cotswold Clouds. My medium-term plan is to transfer them all to *.wmv format so that they can be downloaded from my Wheelspin website - but don't hold your breath. Andrew
I did restrain my comments about Clarkson and believe me, they are plentiful. I agree that if it isn't good TV he crucifies it and this wouldn't help. (However, one can't help but enjoy him ....."boys behaving badly"..............aren't we all to a certain extent?). But this sort of old film would be great publicity for what we do now.............especially as some of you identify cars that still run. This could be the theme and starting point................
Well chaps I can take credit for this clip and fill in a few gaps as the story is amazing In the mid 1980's my brother in law (who knows sod all about cars so a Morgan could be a MG etc) told me he'd been off sick and just happened to mention he'd seen a kids programme (Windmill) which featured some funny cars like mine - an early Dellow CAB 282 I got hold of a copy via back door and sure enough it was this clip of the 48 Gloucester trial Better still it features my Dellow protoype (no 3) CAB 282 an early Austin 7 chassis car owned by Lewis Tracey who later partnered hos great rival Ken Rawlings of Buttercup fame on a Monte Carlo rally in a Standard Vanguard This is the car inthe early sequence seen driving away Other Dellows are Mick Heighway (OP 3834) who was Ron Lowes dentist (The Low bit of Dellow) and Eric Penn in a beautifully bodied HAB 245 Dellow and EDE 384 another important car CAB & EDE still happily survive! Sadly tho this clip came from a whole bunch of 16mm which was consigned to landfill by the BBC apparently and was only saved as random clips were saved to provide some representative material - probably becaiuse if featured Kenneth Horne? Yes I have better definition DVD copies available @ 짙7 each inc P&P Peter Seabrook-Harris peter.seabrook@pearlanddean.com
The You Tube link in the first posting above no longer works as the video has been re-loaded. The best place to start is now here - http://www.wheelspin.info/references/gloucester1.htm - but I would say that, wouldn't I? Andrew
I currently have the Gloucester Challenge Cup. Does anyone want the names off it before I have to return it to the club. Not sure when it changed from a "Classic" trial to a "Sporting" Trial though. Names on it date back to 1947.
Ian that is superb. Did you upload it ? Whoever did deserves a big thanks for sharing it with the rest of us ! SimonR
ReplyDeleteNo Simon, I just spotted it last night. I love the commentary for the 4-up allard/v8 special going over the step on nailsworth 'ride 'em cowboy' with a 1940s RP accent... More seriously might this help prove historic use of RoW used in the Cotswold Clouds....
ReplyDeleteWell it does, absolutely, but I guess we would need Andrew Brown's input on whether this is needed for the sections shown. Where did all the trees go on "Axe" ? Great to see "Juniper" in live and moving use too. Agreed re the commentry, my first thought was "Pathe News" at the cinema in the old days, (my mum told me, you understand, because I am of course far too young to remember that far back !! ) SimonR
ReplyDeleteI notice a few, if not more in my copy of 'More Wheelspin' that I picked up in a bookshop in Penzance a week ago! GOM 2 - was owned by Geoff Mansell.
ReplyDeleteYou might spot also, the "extraordinary car" climbing Ham Mill, and later the 2nd Allard on Nailsworth is the Geof Imhof car, KLD 5, now owned by Roger Ugalde. You can see from this car why the 1/3rd overhang rule was introduced. Roger U assures me that you can still see the weld marks on the chassis where this extension was added.
ReplyDeleteThe car leaving the start just after the starter has been introduced is the Onslow-Bartlett mercury Spl.
The second car attempting Juniper is Ron Lowe in his pre-Dellow special. And to fill in the Dellow link, The Frazer-Nash BMW EMO174 on Hodgecombe is Ken Dellingpole
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ReplyDeleteFirst to say thanks to Ian for finding this wonderful film. To add my bit the "Onslow-Bartlett mercury Spl" Simon mentions is I believe still owned by Mike Furse. He has had it for many years but only trialled it once, at a Herts Constabulary Tring Park Trial in 1976. Also competing was Michael Leete, T-P father and son, Simon Groves Dad, Simon Woodall and many more ............ Michael ALLCOMERS PCT 4th April 1976
ReplyDeleteNo. Driver Club Car cc
CLASS ONE
1 John Cheshire SODC Mini 1198
2 Mick Wrench SODC Mini 1098
3 Charles Dudley SODC Mini Countryman 848
4 Richard Gaiger SODC Mini 1098
5 Roger Dudley SODC Mini Countryman 848
David Wrench SODC Mini 1000
Alan Strutt SODC Mini 1098
Steve Strutt SODC Mini 1098
9 Richard Oakman CHESS VALL. Mini 850
10 Michael Leete FALCON Mini 998
11 Leonard Holder SODC Saab 96 V4 1498
12 Colin Stevens SODC Mini 1100
13 Jon Poynter SODC Mini GT 1275
Trevor Roff SODC Mini 1100
Richard Warner SODC Mini Cooper 998
16 Tom Goggin SODC Mini 1100
17 Robert Oake SODC Mini 1100
CLASS TWO
21 Adrian Tucker-Peake FALCON Ford Pop 1598
22 John Tucker- Peake FALCON Ford Pop 1598
23 Colin Veneear COMCC Ford Escort 1300
24 Colin Knight SODC Ford Escort Van 1300
25 Lawrie Knight SODC Ford Escort 1600
26 John Groves CAMBRIDGE Ford Pop 1172
27 Sue Halkyard SODC Austin Chummy 747
28 Alan Robertson CHESS VALL. Viva Van 1100
CLASS THREE
33 Ian Blackburn COMCC Singer Le Mans 972
34 Elaine Seymour CHESS VALL. MG Midget 1275
35 Geoff Margetts COMCC Morgan 4/4 1599
CLASS FOUR
40 Reg Taylor CAMBRIDGE Imp 875
41 Ronald LeCount COMCC VW Beetle 1285
42 Murray MacDonald FALCON VW Beetle 1192
44 Dennis Greenslade COMCC Cartune VW Beetle 1776
45 Chris Waldron HERTS CONST. VW Beetle 1390
46 Roger Wornham HERTS CONST. VW Beetle 1390
47 Josh Sadler SODC Porsche 911T 2341
48 Keith Turner COMCC VW Beetle 1584
CLASS FIVE
52 Stan Hibberd SODC Buckler Mk 5 1172
53 Mike Hibberd SODC Buckler Mk 5 1172
54 Mike Furse SODC Mercury V8 Special 3622
55 Geoff Jackson CAMBRIDGE Dellow 1500
PARK WOODS PCT April 3rd 1977
No. Driver Club Car cc
CLASS ONE
1 Steve Strutt SODC Mini 1098
2 John Gray SODC Mini 1100
3 Alan Strutt SODC Mini 1098
4 Robert Oake SODC Mini 1100
5 Tom Goggin SODC Mini 1100
6 Charles Dudley SODC Mini 1098
7 Roger Dudley SODC Mini 1098
8 Paul Holman SODC Mini 1275
9 Don Dracup SODC Mini 1275
10 Brian Squire FALCON Mini 998
11 Michael Leete FALCON Mini 998
12 John Cheshire SODC Mini 1198
14 Trevor Roff SODC Mini 1100
15 Colin Stevens SODC Mini 1100
16 Lawrence Hawkins` HERTS CONST. Mini 850
17 Richard Oakman CHESS VALL. Mini 850
18 Jon Poynter SODC Mini GT 1275
20 Diane Stuart CHESS VALL. Mini 850
CLASS TWO
23 Vic Woods HERTS CONST. Ford Capri 3000
24 Lawrie Knight SODC Ford Escort 1600
25 Sue Halkyard SODC Austin Chummy 747
26 Bob Andrews HERTS CONST. Peugeot 404 1618
CLASS THREE
33 Ian Blackburn COMCC Singer Le Mans 972
34 Tim Frazer CHESS VALL. MG Midget 1275
35 Elaine Seymour CHESS VALL. MG Midget 1275
CLASS FOUR
40 Phillip Cushway VWOC VW Beetle 1300
41 Colin Perrot VWOC VW Beetle 1300
42 Clive Booth CAMBRIDGE Imp 875
43 Ken Springle VWOC VW Beetle 1600
44 Chris Waldron HERTS CO
Actually just seen there were two events and in the one Simon was driving in Mike was in his Husky - Michael
ReplyDeleteNow this is exactly what the sport needs for promotion! Surely someone out there can persuade a TV company to take an interest (Top Gear/ 5th Gear?). It'll make a change from all this boring boy-racer circuit-testing and playing. It would be good to get back to the real world of Club sport and normal(?) people. What a find!
ReplyDeleteThe Lands End was on Top Gear a few years ago - before it changed to its current format - but even then their pitch was very much about "wacky racers". Not very good publicity at all. All it atracted was interest from the banger racing crowd.
ReplyDeleteSkud marks - I am putting some thought into how we can use this for promotional purposes and whether I can obtain a copy. Have to second what Simon says about the current tv progs on terrestial though. The sport could be killed off if people like clarkson get involved - driving a 4x4 up a scottish mountain over SSIs was just one of his many stupid stunts - right at the time we were up against all the Row issues...he would wreck out reputation of caring for the communities and landowners whose support we depend on in 2 minutes flat, think nothing off it and move on to the next subject as long as he thought it made good tv...sorry, end of sermon but we do need to protect our reputation very carefully...
ReplyDeleteOh yes, I wholeheartedly agree there.....far better we actually keep a low profile. After all, our sport contains all that remains of the TRUE motorsporting enthusiast, in my view. Plus, it's full of people who can actually see the POTENTIAL in EVERY vehicle they come across....... Imagine the field day Clarkson would have , had he come across Old Spot Piglet?
ReplyDeleteI have this Gloucester Trial clip on reasonable quality VHS although the very beginning with the Pathe intro is missing. Can anyone confirm the year? - I think 1948 for some reason which now escapes me. I also have a rather fine silent film of the 1934 Colmore, mainly shot on Station Lane, Chalford; and another of the 1936 Fedden (thanks to Pete Hart) featuring hills now used for the Cotswold Clouds. My medium-term plan is to transfer them all to *.wmv format so that they can be downloaded from my Wheelspin website - but don't hold your breath. Andrew
ReplyDeleteI did restrain my comments about Clarkson and believe me, they are plentiful. I agree that if it isn't good TV he crucifies it and this wouldn't help. (However, one can't help but enjoy him ....."boys behaving badly"..............aren't we all to a certain extent?). But this sort of old film would be great publicity for what we do now.............especially as some of you identify cars that still run. This could be the theme and starting point................
ReplyDeleteWell chaps I can take credit for this clip and fill in a few gaps as the story is amazing In the mid 1980's my brother in law (who knows sod all about cars so a Morgan could be a MG etc) told me he'd been off sick and just happened to mention he'd seen a kids programme (Windmill) which featured some funny cars like mine - an early Dellow CAB 282 I got hold of a copy via back door and sure enough it was this clip of the 48 Gloucester trial Better still it features my Dellow protoype (no 3) CAB 282 an early Austin 7 chassis car owned by Lewis Tracey who later partnered hos great rival Ken Rawlings of Buttercup fame on a Monte Carlo rally in a Standard Vanguard This is the car inthe early sequence seen driving away Other Dellows are Mick Heighway (OP 3834) who was Ron Lowes dentist (The Low bit of Dellow) and Eric Penn in a beautifully bodied HAB 245 Dellow and EDE 384 another important car CAB & EDE still happily survive! Sadly tho this clip came from a whole bunch of 16mm which was consigned to landfill by the BBC apparently and was only saved as random clips were saved to provide some representative material - probably becaiuse if featured Kenneth Horne? Yes I have better definition DVD copies available @ 짙7 each inc P&P Peter Seabrook-Harris peter.seabrook@pearlanddean.com
ReplyDeleteThe You Tube link in the first posting above no longer works as the video has been re-loaded. The best place to start is now here - http://www.wheelspin.info/references/gloucester1.htm - but I would say that, wouldn't I? Andrew
ReplyDeleteI currently have the Gloucester Challenge Cup. Does anyone want the names off it before I have to return it to the club. Not sure when it changed from a "Classic" trial to a "Sporting" Trial though. Names on it date back to 1947.
ReplyDelete